Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Another vote for 7 rem mag. and a high B.C. Cartridge: 7 RUM. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. With a 28" I got 2950~2975 with a 195 and 3150 with a 180. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. This will be a custom built hunting rifle(deer and elk) and will need to be carried long distances. HOWEVER, I don't follow the logic of having to use a 26" barrel if you go the Nosler route. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. I'm pushing the 175 eldx at 3005 fps, with excellent case life (10+ reloads). But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. Its a criterion 26 barrel. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! Mag. And in the chambers of their rifles. These are some impressive numbers. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Buy Now. You are using an out of date browser. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. . Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC The 28 Nosler has a muzzle energy of 3470 ft-lbs, and the 30 Nosler has muzzle energy at 3639 ft-lbs. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. Factory ammo all over, good brass fron Nosler, ADG, etc. JavaScript is disabled. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Mag., 7mm RUM, 28 Nosler,) you dont need a 7 PRC. Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Mag. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. You go long. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. I just did a 7mm build too. You are using an out of date browser. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. Kind of soured me on light bullet's. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. I'm the same as you. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. Anyone looking for really good dies call Whiddon and have them made. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. The completed case holds 90 grains of water with our 175-grain boattail spire point bullet seated. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. Indeed, over the years my 7mms have handled this stuff. Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. The rim of the RUM was already rebated to fit a .534-inch bolt face. Those are some impressive numbers. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. That's how gun control works.". Metallic Reloading Rifle Brass Rifle Brass Rifle brass is made for almost every conceivable cartridge, from 223 brass and 308 brass to older offerings like 30-40 Krag brass and even one of the newest, 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Mag. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. If the muzzle energy is higher, it will leave the bullet with higher energy. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. include more options in rifles and ammo, more accessible and less expensive ammo, less recoil, a potentially shorter, handier, lighter rifle, and longer barrel life. factory 7mm Rem. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Either is good. I am very pleased I am shooting retumbo using adg brass which is excellent brass highly recommend, shooting 165 Gamechanger at 3075, 180 Berger right at 3000. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. I have a 6.5 saum that is my go to long range coues rifle and it is my favorite rifle but not my first choice for an elk cartridge. Just 5 inches of drop at 400 yards and 6.8 inches of wind deflection. As you might guess, there isnt much trajectory/performance difference between the RUM and the Nosler. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. It may not display this or other websites correctly. 22 Nosler. Mag. #7mm #longrangeshooting #extremelongrange Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Piecing together a rifle build but havent settled on what I want to chamber it in. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Medium slow burning rifle powders are most appropriate for both of these cartridges. You say it's long action. SAUM can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. They straightened the sidewalls. You are using an out of date browser. A major part of that depends on rifling twist. Trustpilot. And thats part of the reason 7mms are so popular. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. Carefully spaced shots (dont overheat the barrel) always extend life, as does each shooters accuracy demands. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. Has 260 rounds on it so its fully sped up. The load is easy on brass and accuracy is excellent, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree, Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. It will never be as popular as a 6.5PRC or 28nosler, but it has a purpose. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) I think the 7saum is here to stay. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). 7mm Rem. Your results may vary. Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. The parent cartridge is a shortened 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. Nosler AccuBond Long Range. I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Ban sober drivers from driving. For really light and a short action if you reload 7 saum. Definitely go 26" on the barrel. . Worth considering. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. Some are claiming as little as 600-round barrel life for RUM, 1,000 rounds for .28 Nosler, 2,000 for Rem. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Qty: Add to cart. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7mm or 0.284" while the 300 PRC fires the . M700 shooting 180-gr. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. It's an extraordinary caliber that has proven itself for decades upon decades, and just in the last few years has hit new strides thanks to the SAAMI standardization of the caliber, because of it's time-tested popularity. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. My vote would be 7RM as well. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. . Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. 7rm for me. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . Trustpilot. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. It may not display this or other websites correctly. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined This precision does not mean the 7mm PRC is a long range target round only. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. | Furthest down, around the primer pocket, the brass should be firm. Moose by the dozens have fallen to the 7mm Rem. What was your 28 Nosler load with 180s at 3080? Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Nosler shortened the RUM case, gave it a 35-degree shoulder, and shortened the neck to .276. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Qty: Add to cart . bullets, but not the longest and certainly not such long numbers as Hornadys 180-gr. The U.S.A. hasnt fully adopted the metric system, but our shooters and hunters have. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. It is based on the fat, belt-free 404 Jeffery case, but Nosler likely just started with the 7mm RUM which is itself a modified Jeffery. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. The resulting reservoir holds 77 grains of water with a 175-grain bullet seated to Over-All Cartridge Length (measured base to tip of bullet.). All rights reserved. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. Buy Now. Mag. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. I think if I was buying a hunting rifle, and just wanted to keep a few high quality boxes of factory ammo around, the I would go 7Rm. Mag. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Minuteman. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. Barrels are like truck tires. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. Which action are you using and what barrel length? Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. Diver160651 Who cares. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. Full Member. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. at the muzzle. 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